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the president of the united states talking about mitt romney's tax plan that romney says is simply untrue, those comments. >> let me repeat what i've said. i'm not in favor of a 5 trillion dollar tax cut. that's not my plan, my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. point one. you may refer to it as a 5trill that's not my plan. >> alisyn: who is telling the truth here and is the president lying about his own tax plan and joining us from the review, rich. mitt romney is deficit neutral and lower everybody's tax bracket, buts' going to do away with tax loopholes to make up for the revenue. >> correct, you've got this better than the president of the united states does. >> alisyn: but where does the 5 trillion come in? >> there's an argument whether 5 trillion because it gets into the budget baseline which gets very complicated. the basic structure, lower the rate and try to make it revenue neutral and the president should understand this because this is the bowles simpson plan. the bowles simpson plan would lower rate and cut more, enough deductions and loopholes and
tax breaks for companies here in the united states. on energy, governor romney and i both agree we have got to boost american energy production and oil and natural gas production are higher than they have been in years. >> so you saw there again a steep incline about what was it closing the loopholes the doe domestic production? >> yeah. wal-mart moms really respond -- they responded well to what the president said. it's important to note while mitt romney had a better night than obama. it wasn't that the moms just tuned out whenever the president spoke. he this current out to a lot of of what he had to say we just watched or how the country is stronger when we have a strong personal class. when he told his own story. there was a lot that mom connected to. there is a lot what is going it happen in the in connection with next few debates. >> we can imagine moms are concerned about the economy. wall march moms are more concerned about getting food on their table than cash. did those things come up during the course of this debate with them. >> right. exactly. these moms are trying to
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